A Three Degrees Test

Here’s a simple test for everyone. Download and print the Three Degrees Test. Grab a pen and get started. Read each scripture, and then write Celestial, Terrestrial, Telestial, and Lake of Fire into the appropriate kingdom box. When you’re done, if your answers aren’t consistent, you might have a vain or foolish doctrine.

4 thoughts on “A Three Degrees Test

  1. Very black and white. Cut and dry.

    It’s like the umbrella that over shadows everything else.

    Like how in 2 Ne. 10:16 Jacob makes mention of only two opposing sides.

    16Wherefore, he that fighteth against Zion, both Jew and Gentile, both bond and free, both male and female, shall perish; for they are they who are the whore of all the earth; for they who are not for me are against me, saith our God.

    But Christ makes mention that in his Father’s kingdom, there are many mansions.

    JST John 14:2

    2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you.

    So are they contradictory or do these have reference to different times in the God’s timeline for his children?

    1. John 14
      In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

      The first thing to notice is there is no indication of any difference in degrees between the mansions. That is something we artificially read into this. It is talking about quantity, not quality. There are many drinking glasses in my cupboard – they are all identical, but I have enough for everyone to have their own.

      The next issue is the word mansions. The Greek word is μοναὶ (monai), which means a dwelling-place, room, or abode. “In my Father’s house there are many rooms” is a better translation. God’s house has a place for everyone. That same Greek word that is rendered as “mansions” in English is used later in verse 23:
      Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

      You don’t see it? It’s the word abode. Now let’s read those two verses using a consistent word:
      In my Father’s house there are many dwelling-places: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
      If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our dwelling-place with him.

      This is a very different message than some people will get big mansions and some people will get small mansions. That message isn’t found in the scriptures.

  2. This is from TPJS p. 366

    “My text is on the resurrection of the dead, which you will find in the 14th chapter of John—“In my Father’s house are many mansions.” It should be—“In my Father’s kingdom are many kingdoms,” in order that ye may be heirs of God and joint-heirs with me. … There are mansions for those who obey a celestial law, and there are other mansions for those who come short of the law every man in his own order.”

    Joseph seems to equate mansions with kingdoms.

    1. That quotation was given on May 2, 1844, just one month after the King Follett Discourse. That doesn’t mean what he’s teaching here is automatically false, but it does mean we need to measure it against the scriptures before we accept it as true.

      D&C 76:96
      And the glory of the celestial is one, even as the glory of the sun is one.

      D&C 76:55
      They are they into whose hands the Father has given all things

      If everyone in the celestial kingdom has all things given them, how can there be any differences? It is one glory – the fullness of the Father.

      Romans 8:16-17
      The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

      Joint-heirs receive an equal portion. They are glorified together.

      2 Thessalonians 2:13-14
      But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

      Our reward in the celestial kingdom is the glory of Jesus, which is the glory of the Father. That seems to contradict the notion that there are mansions of different sizes. In the celestial kingdom, it’s uniform. Everyone gets the full enchilada. I don’t see scriptures supporting Joseph’s interpretation, so I’m sticking with what the scriptures teach.

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