Respecter of persons

In The Doctrine of Nehor – Part 3, Watcher writes:

In this installment, we shall continue to provide additional evidence to show that few will enter into eternal life in the presence of the Father. Additionally, we will see why it is everlastingly impossible for telestial and terrestrial spirit intelligences to ever inherit a celestial glory, notwithstanding the infinite intercession and atonement of Christ…

The reason there is no jumping from kingdom to kingdom after the final inheritance is given is because of celestial physics. It has to do with the raw spiritual potentiality with which a spirit is created during the spiritual creation…

It appears that everyone that comes to earth probation comes from a particular glory and that is why they have a telestial spirit, terrestrial spirit, celestial spirit, or a spirit from darkness that had to function on barrowed light during probation

Can it be true that each spirit that comes to earth comes with a predetermined potentiality based on the glory in which it was created and that we all will ultimately return to the glory in which we were organized?…

Some would have us believe that we were all made exactly the same way with the exact same, equal spiritual potential in the preexistence, resulting in the exact same opportunity and chance to return to the Lord.

Let’s measure Watcher’s statements against the scriptures.

2 Nephi 26:23-28
For behold, my beloved brethren, I say unto you that the Lord God worketh not in darkness. He doeth not anything save it be for the benefit of the world; for he loveth the world, even that he layeth down his own life that he may draw all men unto him. Wherefore, he commandeth none that they shall not partake of his salvation. Behold, doth he cry unto any, saying: Depart from me? Behold, I say unto you, Nay; but he saith: Come unto me all ye ends of the earth, buy milk and honey, without money and without price. Behold, hath he commanded any that they should depart out of the synagogues, or out of the houses of worship? Behold, I say unto you, Nay.  Hath he commanded any that they should not partake of his salvation? Behold I say unto you, Nay; but he hath given it free for all men; and he hath commanded his people that they should persuade all men to repentance. Behold, hath the Lord commanded any that they should not partake of his goodness? Behold I say unto you, Nay; but all men are privileged the one like unto the other, and none are forbidden.

2 Nephi 26:33
For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.

He invites all to come unto him. He denies none. All are alike. All may partake of his salvation. He has given it free for all men. None are forbidden.

Watcher claims that we each came to this earth with a certain limitation. Some of us, regardless how good we want to be, will never be better than telestial quality. That instead of being created equal, or all alike, God made us with inherent limitations that will eternally estrange us from him. We will never be able to dwell in the presence of the Father or the Son. God is basically telling us to depart from his presence the very instant he created us. That sure sounds like some men are more privileged than others. That some are forbidden, while others are not. It doesn’t sound like he’s inviting all men to come unto him, because some will never be able to. And we definitely are not all alike unto God under Watcher’s model. Let’s check a few other scriptures to make sure Nephi wasn’t teaching false doctrine.

Alma 13:4-6
And thus they have been called to this holy calling on account of their faith, while others would reject the Spirit of God on account of the hardness of their hearts and blindness of their minds, while, if it had not been for this they might have had as great privilege as their brethren. Or in fine, in the first place they were on the same standing with their brethren; thus this holy calling being prepared from the foundation of the world for such as would not harden their hearts, being in and through the atonement of the Only Begotten Son, who was prepared—And thus being called by this holy calling, and ordained unto the high priesthood of the holy order of God, to teach his commandments unto the children of men, that they also might enter into his rest

Those that were called to have the holy priesthood weren’t created better than those that didn’t, they were on the same standing. Those that didn’t receive the holy priesthood could have received it had they not hardened their hearts and blinded their minds. The difference between these groups isn’t in their creation, it’s in their behavior. Had it not been for the hardness of their hearts of the blindness of their minds, they would have had the same privilege. They started out on the same standing with each other. And yet, verse 6 tells us those who didn’t receive this holy priesthood will be taught by those who do, so that they (the hardhearted and blind) can enter into the Lord’s rest. Even those who are hardhearted and blind have the option to enter into the rest of the Lord. What is this rest of the Lord?

D&C 121:32
According to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal presence and into his immortal rest.

Telestial people, according to Watcher’s theory, can never dwell with the Father or the Son. Doesn’t that make God a liar to promise people they can enter into God’s rest if they are eternally incapable of doing so by celestial physics? If that were the case, why would God make this statement?

Moses 6:66-68
And he heard a voice out of heaven, saying: Thou art baptized with fire, and with the Holy Ghost. This is the record of the Father, and the Son, from henceforth and forever; and thou art after the order of him who was without beginning of days or end of years, from all eternity to all eternity. Behold, thou art one in me, a son of God; and thus may all become my sons. Amen.

If Watcher’s theory were correct, wouldn’t God need to say, “and thus may a few become my sons”? D&C 76:58 tells us the celestials are the sons of God. Why would God tell Adam all may become his sons if only a few have that capability?

1 Nephi 13:40
And the angel spake unto me, saying: These last records, which thou hast seen among the Gentiles, shall establish the truth of the first, which are of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, and shall make known the plain and precious things which have been taken away from them; and shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world; and that all men must come unto him, or they cannot be saved.

How can we be saved if we don’t come unto Christ? The scriptures do not say that people can be saved without coming to Christ – all men must come unto him or they cannot be saved. By Watcher’s own words, telestials never come unto Christ, therefore they cannot be saved. If telestials do come unto Christ, how can he give the blessings of eternity to a few while denying the blessings of eternity to all the rest? How can he give different rewards for the same behavior without being a respecter of persons? (spoiler alert: he can’t).

D&C 18:9-12
And now, Oliver Cowdery, I speak unto you, and also unto David Whitmer, by the way of commandment; for, behold, I command all men everywhere to repent, and I speak unto you, even as unto Paul mine apostle, for you are called even with that same calling with which he was called. Remember the worth of souls is great in the sight of God; for, behold, the Lord your Redeemer suffered death in the flesh; wherefore he suffered the pain of all men, that all men might repent and come unto him. And he hath risen again from the dead, that he might bring all men unto him, on conditions of repentance.

2 Nephi 9:21
And he cometh into the world that he may save all men if they will hearken unto his voice; for behold, he suffereth the pains of all men, yea, the pains of every living creature, both men, women, and children, who belong to the family of Adam.

All men are commanded to repent. All men are promised the same blessings if they do. Why would Christ suffer for all men that they might repent, come unto him, and be saved, if the telestials were incapable of ever exercising enough faith in Christ? He would have known exactly which ones where created out of telestial material…no need to suffer for them. Why would he suffer that men might repent and come unto him if the overwhelming majority of his creation are incapable of coming unto him? Why command all to repent if most are incapable of repenting?  Does God give us commandments that are impossible for us to obey?

1 Nephi 3:7
And it came to pass that I, Nephi, said unto my father: I will go and do the things which the Lord hath commanded, for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.

If God has commanded all men to repent, then he must have prepared a way for all men to accomplish repentance.  Alma seems to think that God has.

Alma 5:32-33
Yea, even wo unto all ye workers of iniquity; repent, repent, for the Lord God hath spoken it! Behold, he sendeth an invitation unto all men, for the arms of mercy are extended towards them, and he saith: Repent, and I will receive you.

Why extend the false promise of hope to people who are, according to Watcher’s theory, eternally incapable of ever receiving that promise? It makes liars out of prophets. It makes God himself a liar.

Moroni 8:17-18
And I am filled with charity, which is everlasting love; wherefore, all children are alike unto me; wherefore, I love little children with a perfect love; and they are all alike and partakers of salvation. For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity.

Romans 2:10-11
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.

Acts 10:34-35
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

D&C 38:16
And for your salvation I give unto you a commandment, for I have heard your prayers, and the poor have complained before me, and the rich have I made, and all flesh is mine, and I am no respecter of persons.

1 Nephi 10:18
For he is the same yesterday, today, and forever; and the way is prepared for all men from the foundation of the world, if it so be that they repent and come unto him.

If the way has been prepared for all men to come unto Christ, then Watcher’s “celestial physics” theory contradicts scripture and denies the mercy of God. The promise to all men that if they repent Christ will receive them is invalidated by Watcher’s theory.

Let’s dwell on one last thing. Watcher claims, “we all will ultimately return to the glory in which we were organized“.

What incentive does anyone have to repent under this model? If the vast majority of humanity was created out of telestial material, even if they spend their entire life trying to repent and live a good life they will ultimately return to the telestial glory. A celestial person doesn’t needs to repent because they were created celestial so they have to be returned to a celestial glory despite any sins they have committed and not repented of. Why does anyone need to bother repenting? Our fate is already determined. The only rational decision is to ignore God during life and do whatever you want. So eat, drink, and be merry, because anything we do in this life has no impact on where we spend eternity – that decision was made by God long before we took our first breath.

More to come.

3 thoughts on “Respecter of persons

  1. I was honestly stunned when I read Watchers “Nehor’ series. Afterwards I felt sad and depressed. What a miserable cloud his reasoning created in my feeble mind and soul. It took over a week to shake the misery and then I only succeeded by bracketing it all and setting it aside to consider another day. That day never came. So thank you so much for helping me part the clouds.

    I suspected something wasn’t right in Watcher’s land of Nehor but my immense respect for his teachings led me to at least consider his research and thinking. Alas, I lack the deep scriptural knowledge of you and Searcher to figure this out on my own, but I was not spiritually led Watcher’s way, so thank you MD for this clear response.

    I think a great scripture you didn’t cite is impactful and sheds light:

    3 Nephi 27:13, 15, Earliest Text

    13 Behold, I have given unto you my gospel.
    And this is the gospel which I have given unto you,
    that I came into the world to do the will of my Father,
    because my Father sent me.

    15 And for this cause have I been lifted up.
    Therefore, according to the power of the Father,
    that they may be judged according to their works.

    18 And this is the word which he hath given unto the children of men.
    And for this cause he fulfilleth the words which he hath given;
    and he lieth not but fulfilleth all his words.

    21 Verily verily I say unto you: This is my gospel.

  2. I have been reading Watcher’s posts for years and have been blessed by his efforts also. I appreciated so much how he found a faithful explanation, using scripture, for so many questions. So, when I started reading the “Nehor” series and it didn’t feel right I initially doubted myself because of my respect for his scriptural knowledge. But the doubt gave way to frustration and I had to stop reading because it was so harsh and contrary to multiple scriptural accounts that witness God’s love for ALL and Him calling to ALL to COME UNTO HIM and be saved. So thank you MD for taking the time and setting the example, once again, to carefully review the scriptures to “measure every man’s doctrine.” Your efforts are much appreciated.

    Your previous posts where you reviewed what the scriptures really teach about Salvation were so impactful to me. That is, that salvation is being saved in the Kingdom of God, which is the Celestial Kingdom. While reading this post the thought occurred to me that Watcher’s view of salvation is possibly not that but the traditional LDS view—that is that inheriting the Terrestrial or Telestial Kingdom is still salvation. Do you believe that is the case and if so, could that be how he is justifying his views? Just a thought.

    1. Thank you for the kind words. I do think it’s important to keep in perspective that on over 95% of things Watcher and I see eye to eye. Those things are the top priority for everyone today: study the word, repent, and prepare for the great and marvelous work. As for those areas where we don’t currently see eye to eye, while intellectually interesting to contemplate they shouldn’t impact our daily behaviors to better follow Christ. Regarding your question, I won’t presume to speak for him, just as he wouldn’t try to speak for me.

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